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In the book, you describe a kind of Incarnational Mysticism -- the grace of doing everything for God, and seeing everything as coming from God. Without grace, this would seem impossible. Our faulty humanity would constantly distract us, challenge us, get in the way. But is this something one can train oneself to? Because it seems to me if one could, it would remove every obstacle to peace.
Well, I think the grace is a complete unbidden gift and then, as has often been said, we get to cooperate with it. I got the grace of having the obsession to drink removed, for one central example, and for twenty-four years, I’ve devoted ten or twelve hours a week to cooperating. Directly cooperating with that particular grace, and then there are the many, many more hours when I cooperate with grace in general. I am fairly disciplined (which no doubt stems from my desperate need to manage and control, but make your neuroses work for you, I say!). And to be fair, I’ve simply seen that some kind of rudimentary discipline—which is itself a grace—works. “Moving easy in harness” Robert Frost described the rules of poetry, and once the harness is in place you find it is guiding you where you wanted to go, perhaps unbeknownst to yourself, all along.
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